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Title: When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 04 November 2010 à 22:43:20
UPDATE Jan. 15, 2011 - 12:08 UTC+1

When and what have now been fixed :D
When: From Jan. 30, 0:00 CET/MEZ until Feb. 12, 23:59 CET/MEZ (Look at  www.zeitzonen.de/tztimezones/detail/id/17)
What: MalariaControl.net



Hello everyone!

November has arrived and it is about time to think about the organisation of the next Charity Race :love:

When?

In 2009, the Race took place from 24th January to 8th February.
This year, it was from 17th to 30th January.

When should it be next year?

What?

In the last 2 years, we crunched on Poem and Docking.

If my memory doesn't fail, the aim of the Charity Race is to help a medical (biological) project that would need some more crunching power - as far as the project admin is OK with our assault on his servers :gniak:
Which one would you suggest?


Let's go and head for the Charity Race 2011 !  :hyperbon: :hyperbon: :hyperbon: :hyperbon: :hyperbon:
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: sdw on 04 November 2010 à 23:38:13
My suggestions so far: First 2 Weeks in February. Projekt: Rosetta. David Baker and his Team makes a lot of intresting new discoveries and they are in need of "manpower".

Servers should be ok to handle us.

Gruß Maik
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: sysadm@nbg on 07 November 2010 à 10:51:36
Maybe "RNA world" could be an alternative ?!
Server was stable during a non-race between SG an P3D this summer
If the admin would have been informed earlier, the workunit supply had been handled better. But this point I would neglect due to the "planning" of charity race.
but beware, project has beta status yet! I dont have asked the admin ...
Title: Re : Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: Susanne on 08 November 2010 à 20:57:01
I would like to suggest Rosetta too, perfect project, it's my favourite and worked perfectly during the Pentathlon, some time in February maybe  :D
best wishes
Susanne (Seti Germany)
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: alipse on 09 November 2010 à 17:03:57
Hi,

I agree Rosetta is a very interesting project, but look how many people crunching for them !

Maybe we shoudl help a project with less participant ?
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 09 November 2010 à 18:20:14
Rosetta is indeed interesting, but when I see figures like these
Quote
Server Status as of 9 Nov 2010 16:41:49 UTC 
[ Scheduler running ]
Total queued jobs:    765,196
In progress:    443,809
Successes last 24h:    248,065
Users       (last day       ) :   303,400 (+98)
Hosts       (last day       ) :   939,654 (+356)
Credits last 24h       :   13,051,961
Total credits       :   12,101,878,779
TeraFLOPS estimate:    130.520
I wonder if they really do need more power.

I've been thinking of RNA World, too, for the Charity Race.

Other projects could also be taken into consideration. But if you look here (http://statsbzh.boinc-af.org/statut_projets.php?trip=desc&categ=3), the choice of running Biological projects is not that big ;) [you may switch the language at the bottom of the page]
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: sdw on 09 November 2010 à 19:05:22
RNA is still testing and im not sure the server is able to handle us. I send a PM to Micheal to ask him.

About Rosetta and the need of more power. Yes they do. They be very pleased about our action on Rosetta while Pentathlon. But i agree that Rosetta is overall a bit to big to fit in my ideas of pushing smaller projects.

Gruß Maik
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: Ryzen on 09 November 2010 à 22:07:34
It's clear that rosetta is not the project which needs the most of us but do we have an other possibility?

Maybe RNA but we must wait the answer of the administrator.

If he is OK I'm for RNA otherwize I choose Rosetta.

In any case, I'm very impatient to do this challenge.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: sdw on 10 November 2010 à 21:59:02
I have an answer. Michael is very pleased to be nominated. He is sure to get the server stable for our push and to cue enough work units.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: metepuck on 10 November 2010 à 23:40:21
Agree to RNA World. Sounds like a good option.

So we just need to agree on a timeframe and spread the word out to the BOINC Community?

Early February sounds good to me, Late January would also be fine. Really looking forward to join this team again.. :)
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: al@ON on 11 November 2010 à 19:26:38
Hi @ all,

Good for me, I :love: the RNA World (beta) projet, but regrettably I do not often crunch for it... excellent opportunity to make it. :D

For the Race period I think that earlier will be the best.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 16 November 2010 à 20:00:13
Yes, RNA sounds good to me. Biological projects are the best dest. for the charity crunch, cause of (maybe?) its medical benfit in the future... :gno:

And when will it start?

Greets lost :D :D
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: sdw on 17 November 2010 à 17:43:28
First 2 Week of february. Starting with the 5th and ending the 20th I guess.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 17 November 2010 à 18:19:04
Isn't that a bit late compared to the previous years?

I'd rather suggest something like 29th January to 12th/13th February
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: sdw on 17 November 2010 à 20:47:18
I agree, but Simap returns in January and will provide work for a full month and maybe more. Im curious if that conflict with those that want crunch simap more then do some Charity. In my mind the later the better for the Charity Team...
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 17 November 2010 à 20:56:29
 :etmerde: Of course, I haven't been thinking of the Simap come-back. :gno:
Probably because they launched some work two days ago :

Quote
Server migration to Vienna: first step passed
The server has now been moved and preliminary configured in Vienna. It still uses the old project URL and the old website design. During the next weeks, we will test the technical performance and stability on the new hardware. During this time, smaller and larger chunks of workunits will be distributed. Although these are intended for testing, their results will be used and get credits as usual. If everything works fine, we will launch a renewed project website using a new project URL in December, and then start into production again.

best regards
Thomas 15 Nov 2010 19:04:10 UTC

And there seems to be plenty of it : http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/server_status.php :siflotte: :sun:
Quote
RESULTS   Approximate #
in database   235,005
unsent   49,377
in progress   99,935
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: metepuck on 26 November 2010 à 22:11:54
To get this back on track: Can we agree on Feb 05 to Feb 20? If so, I think we should go on and announce the Charity Crunch beginning of December?
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: elgrande71 on 28 November 2010 à 22:46:06
It would be great if Michael could reduce the memory consumption of his application.
For me, it will be anyway a pleasure to participate to this charity race.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: Black Hole Sun on 07 December 2010 à 19:55:21
RNA looks like a nice candidate... whereas Rosetta doesn't at all: Charity Race is to help a small bio project.
About SIMAP, I'm fed up with that project disturbing the Boinc sphere for years :o
Simap fans believe the Boinc world should stop for this project: sorry, SIMAP has no more interest than any other Boinc project out there!
If Simap fans can't understand that, we will race without them. Period.

About the dates, it may be wise to first check the winter scholar holiday period in France (don't know if there's any in Germany).
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 07 December 2010 à 23:14:37
In France, the "winter holidays" begin on 14th February for zone C and end on 12th March for zone A.

As Simap announced continuous work for about 2-3 months (beginning last night), I think that there's no need to take it into consideration. IMHO, we could easily begin the Charity around the last week-end of January. :spamafote:
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: yoyo on 12 December 2010 à 22:42:07
If the goal of the charity race are small projects, than SIMAP is the wrong one. SIMAP has already more than enough user. They have so much user, that they are not able to provide enough work for them. Don't see it wrong, I like SIMAP, but they have already anough crunching power, more than they need.
yoyo
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: metepuck on 15 December 2010 à 22:36:10
Right, but it is getting really tough to find a small bio/med project that is capable of handling all that power. I would be fine with RNA but the problem there is the long WU with no checkpointing. This makes it impossible for regular non-24/7 crunchers to ever finish 200+hrs WU, not even mentioning the rare 600+hrs WU.

If checkpointing could be implemented until the CC, the choice would clearly be RNA but if not, the other candidates are SIMAP and Rosetta. And SIMAP is going to win this challenge.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 16 December 2010 à 09:56:50
According to the RNA World message board, the project doesn't support checkpointing (http://www.rechenkraft.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=121492#p121492) :(
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: Black Hole Sun on 18 December 2010 à 18:33:12
Well:
SIMAP: OUT! Not a small project, they have enough power.
ROSETTA: OUT! Not a small project, they have enough power.
RNA: OUT! No checkpoints, too long wus.

Next candidates?
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: metepuck on 18 December 2010 à 20:37:01
What about ibercivis?

They're not 100% Bio/Med but they are also doing drug research (http://www.ibercivis.net/index.php?module=public&section=channels&action=view&id_channel=3).

Small project, only 15k users (http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=ibercivis), short WU run time, just not sure about the server, we would have to check this first.
Title: Re : Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: yoyo on 19 December 2010 à 23:04:47
Well:
SIMAP: OUT! Not a small project, they have enough power.
ROSETTA: OUT! Not a small project, they have enough power.
RNA: OUT! No checkpoints, too long wus.

Next candidates?
BTW, the most workunits in RNA World are short. Here you see how long the workunits are really:
http://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results.py?data=duree&projet=RNA%20World&application=cmsearch
yoyo
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: metepuck on 22 December 2010 à 19:09:42
Well, even if there are only 1% of them longer than 10 hours, these will shoot out a lot of regular crunchers who are usually switching off their machines in shorter time. Because without checkpointing they will start over this WU again and again and again until it is expired.

I am not saying that it is a bad project, it just does not work for non-24/7 crunchers.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 23 December 2010 à 14:11:50
Well, it's almost Christmas and we still do not have any project, nor have we fixed the dates. :cpopossib:

As the admin of RNA World seemed to be happy with our Race, maybe we could ask him to try and release only short WUs (i. e. less than 8 hours for example) during the time of the Race. He could leave the "Sumatran Orang Utan" for later in the year (just an example of my experience :D - it was something like 2-3 days non stop calculation that ended up with "computation error").

We could also ask the members whether they prefer RNA World or Ibercivis (shall we then restrict it to biomedical sub-projects?). But a vote will take time and I think we've already lost plenty of it.

And: we definitely need to fix a time scale! Time is running out of our hands, 2011 is almost at the door...
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: metepuck on 23 December 2010 à 18:01:06
You are absolutely right! What about Jan 30, 0:00h until Feb 12, 23:59h?

But I don't know about RNA World. We might be good with a cut to a maximum of 6-8 hours but we definitely have to announce it before. But let's first see if it is possible.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 24 December 2010 à 14:51:30
The dates you suggest are fine for me and for the few people who reacted on the AF-Forum since I posted yesterday.

As for the project, Ibercivis seems to get their favour.
If we choose Ibercivis, shall we restrict the Charity Race to the bio-medical sub-projects Docking, Amiloide, Neurosim and Sanidad ? Or shall we take Ibercivis as a whole ?

Any news from RNA World? (Who is in contact with its admin?)
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: sdw on 29 December 2010 à 19:24:04
i contact Michael
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 29 December 2010 à 19:32:09
Thanks sdw :jap:

Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 04 January 2011 à 23:44:35
I thought about mopac@home for a moment, but it seems like it is not enough work available... :(
So, RNA is the project, I hope...
If there`s more need to talk with the project admins, do you think the Race should start at January 30.?

P.S:: Wowwow... got to buy more RAM for my Netbook :cry:. I think, the RNA System Requirements will kick out much of the older PCs... :/

Greets lost
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 06 January 2011 à 01:16:12
At SG-Boards is Malariacontrol.net coming up as an option....

What do you think about this?

Greets lost :D
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 06 January 2011 à 14:53:20
Well, let's sum up the suggestions made:

When?
From Jan 30, 0:00h until Feb 12, 23:59h

What?
Presently suggested:
     RNA World [no checkpoints, risk of too long WUs]
     Ibercivis (biomedical sub-projects, see above (http://forum.charity.boinc-af.org/index.php/topic,50.msg1262.html#msg1262)) [almost no work except on Amiloide]
     Lattice
     MalariaControl
     mopac [hasn't any work at the moment, and when there is some work, it's not enough to race for 2 weeks]

If some of you could give some hints on Lattice and MalariaControl, I don't know these projects (yet).


***

Personally, I'd choose RNA or Ibercivis. But I'm not alone :D
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: netrider on 06 January 2011 à 17:38:13
i agree with RNA and Malariacontrol  :origin:

just look at my avatard to understand why  :lol:
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: Ryzen on 06 January 2011 à 22:53:37
I hope it will not be RNA or Malaria. These two projects need so many memory. I can't have any WU in RNA and for malaria, in my case the project use too much memory for the 6 core.

I vote for Ibercivis. But I'm open, if it's malaria I try to do my best! :siflotte:

For the period, I'm ok with modesti
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: fr@ntz on 07 January 2011 à 13:48:38
Ok with Ryzen...and Modesti  :D
ready, steady...go !
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 07 January 2011 à 21:38:08
I contacted Malariacontrol.net and got an answer as following:

Dear lost68er,

Thank you for your message, and offer to promote malariacontrol.net though the Charity contest.

We are currently in a situation where we would welcome a little boost, as we have quite a lot of demand for computing power. On the other hand, we had some performance issues recently which meant that we had to limit the workunit output. That seems to be under control after we have optimized the system configuration, and we expect that the server can deal with substantial additional throughput.
Note that the workunits are quite demanding in terms of their memory footprint. I hope this will not frustrate your members.
Best regards,
Nick
-
Nicolas Maire
Swiss Tropical and Public Health Institute
Dept. Epidemiology & Public Health
CH-4002 Basel
nicolas.maire@unibas.ch

So, I think, this will be the projekt...

P.S: If you read about the terms of Malariacontrol.net, you will (hopefully) agree that this projekt goes really conform with the "Charity" of the idea of Charity Contest... :o


Greets lost :D :D
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 08 January 2011 à 12:11:49
One practical question to our admins: who will create the Charity Team on the chosen project?
Hasn't there been anything decided last year between aendgraend, Black Hole Sun and/or Origin?


Regarding the stats, I've contacted Origin by PM.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: modesti on 15 January 2011 à 12:12:54
Well, now that "when" and "what" have been decided upon (update in the first post), let's make a nice logo for the race :D

@ lost68er : time to publish your work ;)
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: JeromeC on 15 January 2011 à 15:43:29
I'm no good at graphics, but here is some material :

Mmmm, maybe not politically correct...
edit BHS : removed image.

(http://www.decitre.fr/gi/64/9782755700664FS.gif)

Mmmm, maybe too fun.

(http://www.malarianomore.org/sites/all/files/wysiwyg/imagemanager/160_600_tower.jpg)

http://malarianomore.org/
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 15 January 2011 à 18:14:04
...I come up with this...

(http://)
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: [AF>Libriste] e.clement on 15 January 2011 à 18:17:56
@lost68er : I like this image but it's difficult to read the URLs, good job !
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: JeromeC on 15 January 2011 à 19:06:36
Yep, too much contrast with the blue, and the font for "charity" is too hard to read, but that's the idea !
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 15 January 2011 à 20:01:14
...better? :gniak:

Greets lost :D :D
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: [AF>Libriste] e.clement on 15 January 2011 à 21:13:31
Yeah it's better just http://forum.charity.boinc-af.org may be difficult to read, perhaps darker it easier. Charity Contest is ok !
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 15 January 2011 à 22:20:28
Okay, I have the af-link set to black and a little more contrast... :gniak:

Greets lost :D :D
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: [AF>Libriste] e.clement on 15 January 2011 à 22:47:06
Very good ! Danke schön !
Can we use it for advertising ? (I prefer to ask  :D)
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: JeromeC on 16 January 2011 à 00:11:09
I stil think the "charity contest" is very blurry and hard to read... we do know what it's about, but if we want to put this in our malaria project profile, it's gonna be more difficult...
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 16 January 2011 à 03:22:50
@ o mann: use it for what ever you want... :D :D

@jerome: I thought this "Handwriting-Style-accent" would make it less stiff, like graffitti-Style :cry:

Greets lost :D :D
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: nico8313 on 17 January 2011 à 17:50:45
Hello  :cetaboir:

My picture art is .....  :D

Ok ok !!!! Sorry I'm not an artist  :D

(http://www.kirikoo.net/images/7nico8313-20110117-180811.png)

Or

(http://www.kirikoo.net/images/7nico8313-20110117-232455.png)
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: [AF>Libriste] e.clement on 17 January 2011 à 20:09:32
Me too a picture !
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: nico8313 on 17 January 2011 à 22:18:10
Yes !!! good  :miam:
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: infomat on 17 January 2011 à 22:36:48
I said more : yes for the two pictures... :love:
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: JeromeC on 18 January 2011 à 22:10:36
I really like o mann version ! Because of... the mosquito :D and also cause it's easy to read, clear and bright. Eye catching.
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: alipse on 20 January 2011 à 09:19:02
lost68er

You're are the UserOfTheDay on Malariacntrol
http://www.malariacontrol.net/

Can u change ur main page to recruit anyone who see ur page ?

Thx :)
Title: Re : Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 20 January 2011 à 17:58:27
lost68er
Can u change ur main page to recruit anyone who see ur page ?
Thx :)

Sry if I don`t understand...which main page? :/

Greets lost :D :D
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: [AF>Libriste] e.clement on 20 January 2011 à 20:24:16
I imagine it's about your profile http://www.malariacontrol.net/view_profile.php?userid=71564, thousand people could see it today ;)
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 21 January 2011 à 16:44:38
Sh**! :cpopossib: Sometimes I stand on the wire... :cry:


lost
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 25 January 2011 à 18:37:13
@o mann: I have send your picture to the friends of SETI.USA....
I think, we should take this pic for the 2011 Charity Contest...
EDIT: PIC has been sended to all invited teams & used as title on the MalariaControl.net message board...

GHrrr, Ich hätte vorher wissen können, daß die Impressionisten ihre Wurzeln in Frankreich haben... :D :cry: :D

Regards lost :D :D
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: peluche on 27 January 2011 à 20:21:22
After Haiti last year, I found the country for which I will calculate this year

 It will be Tunisia, hoping they manage to free themselves peacefully from dictatorship and corruption

 Edit : Cool, I've seen another Tunisian flag in the team ! :kookoo:
Title: Re : Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 28 January 2011 à 00:58:03
After Haiti last year, I found the country for which I will calculate this year

 It will be Tunisia, hoping they manage to free themselves peacefully from dictatorship and corruption

 Edit : Cool, I've seen another Tunisian flag in the team ! :kookoo:

Very good idea! Could you bring this post to the MalariaControl.net message board called: "Join Charity Team!"? If the contest has startet, I think most of the users will think about it...

Lost
Title: Re : Re : Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: peluche on 28 January 2011 à 19:28:26
Could you bring this post to the MalariaControl.net message board called: "Join Charity Team!"? If the contest has startet, I think most of the users will think about it...

Done ! :p

I've added a message to the thread you opened
I noticed that 68 crunchers have already joined  Charity Team :hap:
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: alipse on 28 January 2011 à 20:32:19
im in  :hyperbon:
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: SG-Yamazaki on 30 January 2011 à 01:22:24
In and together with all of you again... !  :moimoi:

Yama
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: lost68er on 30 January 2011 à 01:52:55
Wow, Yama, one of my SG-Tutors... :D :D :D
Cool to see you here, what about Terminator? :gniak:

Greets lost :sun:
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: SG-Yamazaki on 30 January 2011 à 12:45:27
Hi Lost,

hmm... tutor ?
May be in the last Life
You have been My Tutor ! :sun:
Title: Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: alipse on 30 January 2011 à 14:50:09
Idk if u have this web site, but here u can find rank http://statseb.boinc-af.org/charity/

Thx to our stats masters :)
Title: Re : Re : When and what ? :-)
Post by: peluche on 06 February 2011 à 19:48:52
After Haiti last year, I found the country for which I will calculate this year

It will be Tunisia, hoping they manage to free themselves peacefully from dictatorship and corruption

For the second week of our race, I will take into account the lastest news and change my flag for Egypt

Have a nice and peacefull week
Peluche